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From: KramerDSP  7/11/2008 12:20 am 
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I enjoy reading Simmons work, even though he can get redunant. Thought I'd share his thoughts over the years on Brand's value. For those that hate very long posts, ignore this. For everyone else, enjoy the samplings.

2002 -

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/020404

20 (out of top 40 in the ). Elton Brand -- Still can't believe the Bulls traded him.

13. Andre Miller -- Splendid season for a terrible team ... shades of Micheal Ray, GP, DJ and Clyde Frazier in his game ... also a dead ringer for Richard Pryor, as ESPN's Jason Jackson always points out ... we need to get this guy on a good team ... as strange as this sounds, Miller needs five wins to lead the Cavs to the most improbable 30-win season in NBA history.

2003 -

http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/030530

Toughtest omissions for this year's list -
Andre Miller (last year: 13) -- Brutal at the World Championships, even worse with the Clippers ... and yet he could be an All-Star again if he lands on the right team. We'll see. There wasn't an unhappier looking NBA player last year, with the exception of everyone who had to play with Ricky Davis.

24. Elton Brand -- Averaging 19 and 11 for his career ... and he's only 24. With that said, why do his teams keep ending up in the lottery? Does he have Shareef-itis?

2004 -

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/040622

25. Elton Brand -- Career record: 159-251. And no, that's not his fault. But it's not not his fault, either. If that makes sense.

2005 -

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/050701&num=0

38. Andre Iguodala – Untouchable for the Sixers.

29. Elton Brand – In Year One of the "Bill Simmons as Clippers season-ticket holder" Era, I watched E.B. up close and personal for an entire season. Here's what you get: A reliable rebounder and surprisingly good shot blocker; a hard worker who never takes a night off; a deadly shooter from 15-to-18 feet if he's open; and absolutely, positively, unequivocally, no low-post moves whatsover. He's one of those guys where you look up at the scoreboard and say, "Wow, Elton has 24 points? How did that happen?" Still, the Clippers can't trade him because he's one of the few blue-chippers out there who don't mind playing for them. In fact, that's how they should start his profile in the 2005-06 Clippers media guide: "One of the few stars in the league who doesn't mind playing for us!"

2006 -

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/060707

Before we dive into the Top 40, let's say goodbye to the incumbents who couldn't crack this year's list: Andre Iguodala (38 last year): Didn't seem to improve enough last season. Of course, if they ever launch a new professional basketball league in which the whole team concept is scrapped and players just have 30-minute individual workouts, followed by judges scoring their performances like figure skaters, Igoudala and Rajon Rondo would probably be the top two picks.

11. Elton Brand
Ahead of KG, you say? Well, would you rather have 27 year-old EB hitting his prime at a reasonable $46 million for the next three years, or 31-year-old KG killing your cap at $66 million for the next three years with about 120,000 miles on his odometer? Yeah, I thought so.

2007 -

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071218

Here were the toughest omissions from this year's top 50, going from "not as tough" to "agonizingly tough":

Louis Williams: If you made a "top 10 things Sixers fans are most excited about right now" list, Billy King's firing would be first; Sweet Lou would be second; the next seven things would be left blank; and No. 10 would be the fact we're seven months away from the 25th anniversary of the Fo-Fo-Fo team winning the '83 title.

Andre Iguodala: This summer's Gerald Wallace, a quality supporting guy forced to become "The Guy" on a lottery team -- with bad results, of course -- who now wants to be overpaid because he was miscast for a few months as "The Guy." But wait, what would you have done without me. I carried us to 26 wins! Love that logic.

41. Elton Brand
Elton drops 15 spots, thanks to a torn Achilles that happened six days after I renewed my Clippers season tickets. I feel like he owes me money. Or at least a hug. Anyway, I lumped these guys together because both of them like playing for their respective franchises, which makes them more valuable than normal to those franchises because players aren't sitting around saying, "If I could only play for a perpetually dysfunctional team like the Clippers, that would be a dream come true" and "Man, I know it's great living here in sunny Miami with no state tax and all, but you know where I'd really want to play? Milwaukee! It's freezing cold, and it's not near anything. I guess I can only dream."

(Note to John Paxson: Close your office door before you keep reading and hide all sharp objects. If you want, we'll give you a couple of seconds.)

(Waiting ...)

(Waiting ...)

(OK.)

 
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From: sixerguy  7/11/2008 3:59 am 
To: KramerDSP  (2 of 5) 
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he said elton has no post moves
 
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From: swift  7/11/2008 8:21 am 
To: KramerDSP  (3 of 5) 
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You cut off the punchline of the joke at the end of his column, which was:

"40. Tyson Chandler"

 
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From: IglooKing  7/11/2008 9:47 am 
To: KramerDSP  (4 of 5) 
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<< 36. Allen Iverson
Earlier this month, did you notice the night when Boston blew out the Sixers in Philly in front of about 8,500 comatose fans and, a couple of hours later, Iverson exploded for 51 against the Lakers? The lesson, as always: Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER trade a superstar for less than 75 cents on the dollar. >>

I called BS on Simmons when he originally wrote these lines - the Sixers were actually competitive for much of that Boston game, and AI's 51 didn't produce a win - and I think it's time to call even more BS on it now.

Between getting Miller and Smith, and a good chunk of the cap space needed to land you-know-who, I think it's safe to say the Sixers got at least $1.50 on the dollar in that trade.

 
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From: JoeyV  7/11/2008 1:37 pm 
To: KramerDSP  (5 of 5) 
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Great Post Kramer.

LOL at the first link:

8. Allen Iverson:

.....also the most fun superstar to see in person with good seats.....you'll learn new ways that the word "F---" can be used in a sentence.

 
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