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| From: | windqaz | Nov-3 1:41 pm |
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| I know he pitched great in last years playoffs, and had a very good year last year as well. But after this year and his performances so far and knowing his personality would you trade him? And specifically to the American league. If Toronto makes Halliday available (I know we've gone down that road) but would you trade Hamels for Halliday if that trade could be made 1 for 1? How about Grenkie? I know Halliday is a lot older but he is a DEFINITE winner not whiner and is good for another 3-5 years. |
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| | | | | 95441.2 in reply to 95441.1 | |
| no not unless you also would get someone in control for a period of time. However, I just think Cole's problem was the big jump in innings last year and his problems this year have not been that bad in that he has no hitters through several innings in several starts. |
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| | | | | 95441.3 in reply to 95441.1 | |
| Cole may or may not turn out to be high maintenance, but he is worth giving a chance to right the ship. His pride/ego coupled with his immense talent and feel for pitching, signal he could regain his role as ace of this staff. Hamel stays, and makes us all proud again. It may take some soul searching and developing his curve a bit, but he will get it done. Book it! |
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| | | | | 95441.4 in reply to 95441.2 | |
| He needs a 3rd pitch and once he finds it he will be back better than ever. Lee is the perfect guy to teach him that curve ball. Get Lee locked up long term this offseason, priority #1 IMO. |
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| | | | | 95441.5 in reply to 95441.1 | |
An elite 25 year old leftie who already has a NLCS MVP trophy, World Series MVP trophy, and a World Series ring in his trophy case. Trade him? No chance on earth.
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Hard to Believe, Harry.... Enjoy the 2009 Parade with Whitey.
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| | | | | 95441.6 in reply to 95441.1 | |
| Hamels is still early in his career.He obviously has some growing up to do.Imagine this,if he had as good a playoff season this year as last year,this series would be over. |
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| | | | | 95441.7 in reply to 95441.1 | |
Well, people don't tend to realize that Hamels is still learning the game and is only 25! Every pitcher will go through some growing pains but Cole has had lots of success very early in his career. He just had an off season, as it happens to the best of them. As to trading him, who would you really get to make it worthwhile? 1 year of Halladay for an-only-getting-better Hamels? You mentioned Greinke as a possible trade mate. But, Greinke would never survive in this town. There is a reason he is in Kansas City, he just doesn't have it together to have tons of pressure placed on him. |
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| | | | | 95441.8 in reply to 95441.5 | |
| Well said. Get him that 3rd pitch this offseason and we have oursleves two aces going into next season. |
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| | | | | 95441.9 in reply to 95441.1 | |
Halladay will never be a phillie. Im tired of hearing, lets trade hamels for halladay. blah blah blah. weve got 2 great pitchers on the staff. 1 just had a bad year. now if hamels comes back next year and has another down season. then i would look into trading him.
Priority #1 should be to lock Lee up long term. |
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| | | | | 95441.10 in reply to 95441.1 | |
| nah, if ya ask me ya gotta give hamels a one year pass. we see this all the time. didnt steve carlton have down year after winning the world series? he'll be fine... |
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| | | | | 95441.11 in reply to 95441.9 | |
| 100% agree. Lee is the perfect guy to teach Hamels that 3rd pitch. |
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| | | | | 95441.12 in reply to 95441.1 | |
Step back and think about how STUPID your post is. First bad season Hamels had and you are ready to trade him? If people thought like you (and thank God they dont) then Steve Carlton would have won 3 of his 4 Cy Young awards with another team. Carlton went 27-10 in 1972 and then had a disappointing 13-20 season right after that. Should the Phillies then have traded Carlton? NO. But you would have. Your post makes NOOOOOOOO sense. Show me any great pitcher and then show me how many of them had off seasons and you will see how ridiculous your post is. Now go do your homework. |
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| | | | | 95441.13 in reply to 95441.1 | |
Hamels for Halladay straight up? Martians will land on the White House roof before that happens. Ricciardi wants the world for Halladay and Hamels stock had definitely dropped after this year. Either the Angels or some National League team is going to give up a lot for him. PHI, LA or STL would seem to be the logical places since Doc wants Santana money in his next contract and will agree to only be traded to a contender. Mets could afford to pay him (turns out the lying bastards actually made money off of Madoff), but unless the other big pocket teams get very stingy, I don't see them having the prospects for Doc. Big question - would Ricciardi trade him in the division if the Yanks or Sox would be willing to give him a ton of young talent? |
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| | | | | 95441.14 in reply to 95441.13 | |
| JP was sh#t canned a couple weeks ago. A new Sherriff is in town. |
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| | | | | 95441.15 in reply to 95441.1 | |
| I think he needs a long rest so he can regain the arm strength to throw his curve ball consistently. He only has 2 pitches now and he can't survive without continuing to use his curve. I think his arm is sore and he is reluctant to throw too many curves and/or he can't throw it effectively. He's too young with too much talent to let go. |
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| | | | | 95441.16 in reply to 95441.6 | |
| That's right, it would be over. But he's not pitching like last year. Why? |
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| | | | | 95441.17 in reply to 95441.7 | |
| Why wouldn't Grenkie survive in "this town"? BTW did he pick KC or did KC pick him? He's a tough kid. |
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| | | | | 95441.18 in reply to 95441.12 | |
How in the world can you compare Steve Carlton to Cole Hamels? And you call me stupid. #1 Carlton was a super pitcher in his prime, overpowering, great fastball, great curveball, and devastating slider. Had much more staminawas much stronger physically and pitched close to or over 300 innings quite a few times and had many more complete games than Hamels ever will. As to his losing record in his second year with the Phils remember the Phillies stunk. So for him to even get 13 wins was great. Carlton played on this team he would easily in 25 games.
#2 "If the Phillies traded Carlton he would have won 3 Cy Young awards with another team". What's that supposed to mean? First don't compare the 2, Hamels hasn't won a Cy Young yet, and it depends who you would trade Carlton for. If after his 13-20 year I would have traded him for i.e. Tom Seaver. That's why I said Halliday or Grenkie. I didn't sat trade him for Adam Eaton. |
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| | | | | 95441.20 in reply to 95441.16 | |
Including last year's postseason, 262 innings pitched by Hamels is why!! He's upset, but he can still mature. I'm hoping he'll get back to his strict workout regimen from 2007 and add another pitch during 2010 spring training. He gets a pass from me - I would NOT trade him. If he's still struggling 2 or 3 years down the road, then I'd reconsider. |
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