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| From: | jen_m  | 2/7/2006 4:35 pm |
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| From: | jen_m | 2/7/2006 4:44 pm |
| To: | jen_m |
Poll (2 of 185) | | | | 5350.2 in reply to 5350.1 | |
On Saturday, Feb. 4, 2006, The Inquirer published one of the Danish cartoons depicting Muhammad in a way that many Muslims consider disrespectful. The publication of these cartoons has sparked heated protests around the world. Inquirer editors, in a statement explaining their decision, said: "To us, this was a moment for newspaper journalists to do what they are uniquely qualified to do in this country - to lay out all sides of the issue for a well-informed public to debate and discuss. The Inquirer published the image to inform our readers, not to inflame them." What is your take on the whole issue of the Danish newspaper commissioning and printing the cartoons, and The Inquirer publishing one of them? |
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| | | | | 5350.3 in reply to 5350.2 | |
After Muslims rioted in the streets the story was big news, and news organizations had a responsibility to print all the cartoons so that readers could understand the story and judge the offensiveness for themselves. The media's failure to do so shows how timid they've become. It wasn't even a close call in my view. Unless publishing something newsworthy would jeopardize a criminal investigation or national security, or put innocent lives in danger, free speech should be paramount. My "right to know" shouldn't take a back seat to Muslim extremists' hypersensitivity about their religion. |
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| | | | | 5350.4 in reply to 5350.3 | |
"...or put innocent lives in danger..." Duuuh. |
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| | | | | 5350.5 in reply to 5350.2 | |
Come on, would you go into a gathering of black people and scream the N-word? History tells you your going to get an aggressive response. Why are we acting like the Danish newspaper didn't know this would offend them? It would be one thing if we were ignorant of their sensibilities but you can't tell me that the Danish didn't have a clue. Is the Salmon Rushdie edict that old that they forgot the Muslims fervor for their religion. I know the Danish government had nothing to do with the cartoons, but the newspaper should have realized that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Since they did run those cartoons, it means they intended to incite the Muslim nations. The many thousands that we witnessed go chaotic, are they extremist or passionate protectors of their faith? I know many christian pastors who would love to have believers with that kind of passion for their faith. |
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| | | | | 5350.6 in reply to 5350.5 | |
Yes, there is a legitimate issue concerning respect for others religious sensitivities, and it doesn't take a Muslim extremist to be offended by depictions of Muhammed. But where are these "passionate protectors of their faith" to be found when Islam is desecrated by terrorists who kill innocents in the name of their so called "faith"? |
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| | | | | 5350.8 in reply to 5350.6 | |
| Don't you think the problem relates to our expectation of reasonable behavior? Maybe its time we stop and admit that Islam is not so peaceful. If we accept that this religion is prone to violent reactions to what they see as desecration of their beliefs, we'll be much better off. Wasn't a man and his son recently killed by what the press called a stone age people? I believe I read it my paper today, that the duo's drifted to close to this ancient villages territory. My point here is we don't blame these people for their response because their culture's alien to us. Well, the Muslim faith is alien to most of us. Don't most ambassadors in foreign lands observe the native customs in the places they work so as not to offend, inflame, and incite the local peoples? We may have sovereign land in their country but we don't have any control over their society. |
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| | | | | 5350.10 in reply to 5350.8 | |
"If we accept that this religion is prone to violent reactions to what they see as desecration of their beliefs, we'll be much better off." Is it really that much different than other religions of the world? Think of the Inquisition, the Crusades and, more recently, Ireland. |
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| | | | | 5350.11 in reply to 5350.8 | |
<Don't most ambassadors in foreign lands observe the native customs in the places they work so as not to offend, inflame, and incite the local peoples?> So why aren't you asking yourself why don't the Muslims respect the views and beliefs of the Danes that they are free to print what they may. I mean it isn't as if the papers were printed and sent to Iran or where ever for exclusive muslim distribution. Everyone is so worried about the NSA data mining and the infringement of our rights but then they say that the cartoons shouldn't be published? Hypocracy! |
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| | | | | 5350.12 in reply to 5350.11 | |
What's even more disturbing is the deliberate distribution by muslim clerics and activists of truly offensive cartoons which were never published. This furor seems to be fueled mostly by fabrication. Had the cartoons depicting Mohammad as a pig been published, I could understand the outrage. This certainly seems to be intentional and perhaps a conspiracy on the part of clerics, Iran and Syria.
Edited 2/8/2006 12:18 pm ET by rbec |
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| | | | | 5350.13 in reply to 5350.11 | |
<Don't most ambassadors in foreign lands observe the native customs in the places they work so as not to offend, inflame, and incite the local peoples?> "So why aren't you asking yourself why don't the Muslims respect the views and beliefs of the Danes that they are free to print what they may. I mean it isn't as if the papers were printed and sent to Iran or where ever for exclusive muslim distribution. " Please identify the AMBASSADORS to which you are referring. "Everyone is so worried about the NSA data mining and the infringement of our rights but then they say that the cartoons shouldn't be published?" Please identify the relationship between the two issues. |
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| | | | | 5350.14 in reply to 5350.13 | |
| SJ the ambassadors statement is a cut and past from random. I equate the two sceanarios in commenting on his post. He basically says when in Rome do as the Romans do. So I counter with the Danish are a free people and then did what they always do. As far as the data mining/spying, random thinks it is OK to curb your beliefs in light of the muslim's desire not to depict Mohammed (sp?) then why isn't OK to look at the data mining in a softer light as it pertains to stopping terrorists in the USA. |
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| From: | Guest | 2/8/2006 3:33 pm |
| To: | Shoeless_Joe |
Poll (16 of 185) | | | | 5350.16 in reply to 5350.10 | |
re: Is it really that much different than other religions of the world? Yes. Christianity was able to reform to a less virulent, live and let live, style. islam, by definition, cannot be reformed. The words of the "prophet" are absolute and cannot be amended or reformed. (They cannot even be translated to another language. For a koran to be a koran, it must be in arabic. ) Good interview with Ibn Warraq:
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/islamapostasy.shtml re: inquistion, crusades...
Do you even know the real history of those two phenomena? |
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| | | | | 5350.17 in reply to 5350.10 | |
| I agree that most religious practitioners aren't much different. The fact that its the descendents of the crusaders who mock their beliefs may also have helped incite them. Also, look at how literally the Arabs still follow the Quran, a woman is still likely to be stoned for infidelity. Wasn't a woman gang rape for some transgression of a relative? So knowing these types of behavior, we expect them to ignore satire of their sacred prophet. I'm trying not to offend Arabs by saying they're still backwards |
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| | | | | 5350.18 in reply to 5350.11 | |
They not rioting in Holland, they're rioting in Arab nations. They're are calling for boycotts of Danish goods. Like I said before, I know the government had nothing to do with the newspaper publishing those cartoons. The newspaper has every right to publish them, but just because you can, doesn't mean you should. |
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| From: | Shoeless_Joe | 2/8/2006 4:16 pm |
| To: | Guest |
Poll (19 of 185) | | | | 5350.19 in reply to 5350.16 | |
<<<Christianity was able to reform to a less virulent, live and let live, style.>>>
When did that take place? Before or after the IRA's terrorism? <<<The words of the "prophet" are absolute and cannot be amended or reformed.>>>
Some believe that to be true with the Bible. Others believe that to be true with "Ex Cathedra" statements from the Pope. <<<Do you even know the real history of those two phenomena?>>>
Yes. |
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| | | | | 5350.20 in reply to 5350.18 | |
"...but just because you can, doesn't mean you should." Thank you. |
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