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From: MichaelLWagn  Oct-16 8:22 pm 
To: ALL  (1 of 25) 
 12537.1 

Go Figure:

60% Employer-Paid-Insurance,
27% Govt. Care,
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87% of Americans have Health Insurance...

Here Consider:

20% of the uninsured aren't US citizens!!!

27 million uninsured made more than $50,000!!!

14 million uninsured qualify for govt. programs but never enrolled!!!
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11 million are children now covered under CHIP (State Children's Health Insurance Program)
***

Obama & Co REFORM = Increased Rates, Longer Waits!!!

Meanwhile, virtually all other Developed Countries have Single-Payer Health Insurance!!!

Single-Payer with $50 deductible (about $1 per month for 5 years) after annual check-up is just what the Doctor Ordered!!!

--OR--

"... Massachusetts ... require all residents to buy health insurance."

"Just a year after ... The New York Times reported, state insurers were already jacking up rates to twice the national average."
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"... rather than creating a utopia of high-quality affordable health care, the result has been the exact opposite — skyrocketing costs, worsened access, and lower quality health care."
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* Risk pools for the medically uninsurable ( http://www.healthinsurance.org/risk_pools/ )

**The Myth of the 46 Million / American Spectator ( http://spectator.org/archives/2009/03/20/the-myth-of-the-46-million )

*** Obama signs bill insuring more children / SF Chronicle ( http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/05/MNAS15NE9A.DTL

****Universal coverage? First, look at the disaster in Massachusetts / Washington Examiner
( http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Universal_coverage_First_look_at_the_disaster_in_Massachusetts_011109.html )

*****Mandating health care coverage is a costly mistake / Denver Post ( http://www.denverpost.com/guestcommentary/ci_8854133 )

 
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From: rogersma  Oct-16 8:38 pm 
To: MichaelLWagn  (2 of 25) 
 12537.2 in reply to 12537.1 
You betcha! There is no crisis. The left has been trying to get a government run health care program since before we were born. Government run healthcare in England came about post WWII when the country was in the dregs and was necessary at the time and worked for them then. Unfortunately, England, to their great detriment have now found they can't get rid of it and it is sucking them down into a great sinkhole due to them being overrun with immigrants from the 1950's to the present. They would love to divest themselves of the NHS but it is now too entrenched. Should the US go down that same road?
 
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From: MichaelLWagn  Oct-17 1:17 pm 
To: rogersma  (3 of 25) 
 12537.3 in reply to 12537.2 

HUH???

You got me brother...

How does one eliminate the costly and unnecessary Insurance Company overhead and end up smelling like a toilet???

What I entirely fail to understand is:

No matter what option is endorsed, the Govt. sets the "baseline" prices anyway...

With ye ol' Public Option, Obama & Co offers an alternative insurance plan, such that the Insurers must offer competitive rates... So..., here the Govt. is effectively setting the rates. Yet I'm convinced this is merely a ploy whereby the insurers can "shunt aside" high risk people!

 
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From: rbec  Oct-21 8:11 am 
To: rogersma  (4 of 25) 
 12537.4 in reply to 12537.2 

<<<You betcha! There is no crisis.>>>

Tell that to hospital billing offices who routinely write off bad debts from uninsured US citizens.

 
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From: MichaelLWagn  Oct-21 10:53 pm 
To: rbec  (5 of 25) 
 12537.5 in reply to 12537.4 

On the subject of Nationalizing the Drug Industry, consider the criminality:

"Chemotherapy and radiation can increase the risk of developing a second cancer by up to 100 times, according to Dr. Samuel S. Epstein," Congressional Record, Sept. 9, 1987.

"...as a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incomprehensible to me that physicians can ignore the clear evidence that CHEMOTHERAPY DOES MUCH, MUCH MORE HARM THAN GOOD," Alan C. Nixon, former president of American Chemical Society.

"Many medical oncologists recommend chemotherapy for virtually any tumor, with a hopefulness undiscouraged by almost invariable failure. MOST CANCER PATIENTS IN THIS COUNTRY DIE OF CHEMOTHERAPY. Chemotherapy does not eliminate breast, colon or lung cancers. This fact has been documented for over a decade, yet doctors still use chemotherapy for these tumors," Albert Braverman MD, 1991 Lancet 1991 337 p 901, "Medical Oncology in the 90's."

“After analysing cancer survival statistics for several decades, Dr Hardin Jones, Professor at the University of California, concluded “...patients are as well, or better off untreated."

Professor Charles Mathe declared: “If I contracted cancer, I would never go to a standard cancer treatment centre. Cancer victims who live far from such centres have a chance.”

“Despite widespread use of chemotherapies, breast cancer mortality has not changed in the last 70 years,” Thomas Dao, MD NEJM Mar 1975 292 p 707.

"Except for two forms of cancer, chemotherapy does not cure. It tortures and may shorten life--no one can tell from the available data," Dr. Candace Pert, Georgetown University School of Medicine.

"Chemotherapy is basically ineffective in the vast majority of cases in which it is given, the exceptions being acute lymphocytic leukemia, Hodgkin's disease, nonseminomateous testicular cancer, as well as a very few rare forms of cancer, including choriocarcinoma, Wilm's tumor, and retinoblastoma," Ralph Moss, PhD, former director of Information for Sloan Kettering Cancer Research Center.

A Dull Weapon: Chemotherapy Almost Useless in Treating Advanced Organic Cancer—Provocative Theses at the Hamburg Cancer Congress
( http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/fraud/able.htm )

"A University of Michigan study has found that women with lower levels of education and/or income tend to get lower levels of something else—chemotherapy." (Chemotherapy by Numbers / Mother Jones)

"When President Reagan had his colon cancer successfully removed by surgery, his health was reported daily as he recovered. On his return to work, a spokesperson appeared, proclaimed him cured, and that was that.

"However, very nearly every patient who undergoes surgery for colon cancer gets put on chemotherapy afterwards. Why not Present Reagan?"

"Frank told us of Dr Charles Simone, who today handles cancers with diet and lifestyle changes was hired on as the president’s personal oncologist. The public never learned of this because the good doctor, was stuffed into a grocery truck and made his entrance into the white house through the backdoor where deliveries are made."

"Irwin Bross, a biostatistician for the National Cancer Institute, discovered that many cancers that are benign (though thought to be malignant) and will not metastasize until they are hit with chemotherapy. In other words, he's found that many people who've been diagnosed with metastatic cancer did not have metastatic cancer until they got their chemotherapy."

Excellent Alternative Medicine Book - Healing Ourselves / Dr. Muromoto

"Error of opinion may be tolerated, where reason is left free to combat it," Thomas Jefferson.

 
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From: rbec  Oct-22 12:06 am 
To: MichaelLWagn  (6 of 25) 
 12537.6 in reply to 12537.5 

<<<"Chemotherapy and radiation can increase the risk of developing a second cancer by up to 100 times, according to Dr. Samuel S. Epstein," Congressional Record, Sept. 9, 1987.>>>

Chemo and radiation treatments have come a long way since 1987. Not having these treatments certainly increases the risk of death. How many people have you watched die from cancer? It's not pretty.

Most of your quotes are very dated, you even reach back to 1975!

This one is flat out wrong. "However, very nearly every patient who undergoes surgery for colon cancer gets put on chemotherapy afterwards. Why not Present Reagan?"

Stage I patients are never treated with adjuvant chemo and probably less than 50% of stage II patients undergo chemo. That's not quite "nearly every patient".

You end with the most absurd statement,"Irwin Bross, a biostatistician for the National Cancer Institute, discovered that many cancers that are benign (though thought to be malignant) and will not metastasize until they are hit with chemotherapy."

Cancers that are benign? Hmmm.... A benign cancer, now that's quite a trick.

 
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From: MichaelLWagn  Oct-22 1:53 pm 
To: rbec  (7 of 25) 
 12537.7 in reply to 12537.6 

Well--I'm not a MD, but somehow I wouldn't be surprised if the content of my post is true... Certainly it is consistent with the original post, where one has to Go Figure that The Govt. is selling out John Q. Public--Big Time--to increase Medical Industry profits...

...There was a TV segment where this Doctor explains how a mistake killed this boy, but the mistake didn't make any sense...

Two colorless drugs were put into little pans, and the labels got mixed up, such that the boy was killed when he got shot with the wrong drug...

But the drug containers have tops where all a doctor has to do is insert the needle right into the container...

Plus the boy had the most grave fears about the doctor--evidently the Doctor didn't bother hiding his feelings...

You see, this boy was a real energetic kid, and, evidently, the Doctor was scared that he'd grow-up into a Powerful Voice...

Sort of the same thing happened to me... (the murder aspect)

So..., you really haven't convinced me that those at issue aren't cold blooded murderers...

 
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From: rbec  Oct-22 2:49 pm 
To: MichaelLWagn  (8 of 25) 
 12537.8 in reply to 12537.7 

Your previous post was mostly about chemo and cited 20 year old articles.

It was so outdated, it bordered on irresponsible.

Even the stats for survivability using the five year mark are rapidly becoming stale. New advances in treatments and techniques have been introduced that make those figures irrelevant. That's just the past five years, so citing a report from the 70's is pretty bogus.



Edited 10/22/2009 3:30 pm ET by rbec
 
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From: SanchoP  Oct-22 4:02 pm 
To: rbec  (9 of 25) 
 12537.9 in reply to 12537.8 

Don't blame him. Blame his sources. All this individual has posted here so far has been cut-and-paste from one or another "truther" rag. I have serious doubts that he knows an iota about what he posts.

His stuff doesn't border on the irresponsible. It's squarely placed within it.

I pity the individual who deprives himself of proper and timely treatment for cancer based on these inane pronouncements.

 
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From: rbec  Oct-22 4:22 pm 
To: SanchoP  (10 of 25) 
 12537.10 in reply to 12537.9 

I can't believe he cited a study from the 70's. Why not go back to when they treated diseases with syringes filled with pure mercury?

Maybe he should follow Suzanne Somers' advice regarding something she calls "full body cancer".

Half brain stupid is more like it.

 
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From: SanchoP  Oct-22 4:31 pm 
To: rbec  (11 of 25) 
 12537.11 in reply to 12537.10 

Unfortunately, many young people fall victim to the heavy proselytizing done by these influences. Just look at our friend Sporky.

 
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From: MichaelLWagn  Oct-22 7:00 pm 
To: SanchoP  (12 of 25) 
 12537.12 in reply to 12537.11 

Well, consider how my original post articulates how the real Health Crisis is looming on the horizon, and it's going to arrive when our bought and paid for Politicians implement their new strategy...

You know what I'm saying...

What a funny coincidence--20 years ago the Medical Industry was composed of ruthless barbarians, and today the gene responsible has transferred itself to the Politicians...

Sort of like we're all hoping the swine flu virus doesn't mutate, right???!!!

Here Read:

+ The neutron bomb of health insurance / CNN Money:

--“Imagine being insured...and then not being insured. Such situations are on the rise.”

“Waiting for an overdue reimbursement check is a hassle. Finding that your health insurance has been nullified after you've incurred serious medical costs can be an outright catastrophe.”

“Called "rescissions," … they don't occur in employer-sponsored group plans … the practice appears to be growing.”


+ State Tries To Block 'Fishing Expedition' Against Blue Cross / Los Angeles Daily Journal (ConsumerWatchdog):


--“When the Schwarzenegger administration in July struck a deal with Anthem Blue Cross that required the insurer to resell medical coverage to dropped policyholders and pay a record $10 million in fines, some attorneys questioned if state regulators had offered the company sweet concessions in exchange.”


+ More insurance rescission coverage / LA Times:

*An eroding model for health insurance, 2008,

--“Working Americans once could rely on employer-based benefits. But more people are being forced into the individual market, where coverage is costly, bare-bones and precarious.”

* Former Members Sue Blue Cross, 2006

* Anthem Blue Cross sued over rescissions, 2008

*Healthcare insurance probe grows, 2008

* Health Net ordered to pay $9 million after canceling cancer patient’s policy, 2008

* L.A. sues insurer over cancellations, 2008

* Doctors balk at request for data, 2008,

* Health insurer tied bonuses to dropping sick policyholders, 2007:

--“One of the state's largest health insurers set goals and paid bonuses based in part on how many individual policyholders were dropped and how much money was saved.”

* Complaints spark state hearing on Blue Cross, 2007,

* Insurer cited in policy rescissions, 2007

* Halted health coverage suit may be far-reaching, 2007,

* Doctors, hospitals join Blue Cross suit, 2007:

--“The largest organizations representing California physicians and hospitals joined a lawsuit against Blue Cross of California on Thursday, accusing the state's largest health plan of illegally and routinely refusing to pay them millions of dollars for medical care provided to enrollees whose policies were later canceled.

* Blue Cross cancellations called illegal, 2007

* Blue Cross sued over revoked insurance, 2007

* Health plan review may be intensified, 2007

* Kaiser Told to Reinstate Coverage, 2006,

* Blue Cross Sued Over Claims Refusals, 2006,

* Canceled Policies Prompt Lawsuits, 2006,

* Garamenda to Probe Blue Cross’ Practices, 2006.

Also read:

BBC Reports GlaxoSmithKline Paid Academics to Fudge Data on Child Paxil/Suicide Link / Mother Jones

Here's an idea--instead laying blame on me (for killing people???!!!), why don't you write to your favorite newspaper editor and ask him/her to task his/her favorite reporter with doing some research and writing an article on the subject???

Oh, oh--don't forget to mention the fact that such an endeavor might prove hazardous to his/her health!!!



Edited 10/22/2009 7:01 pm ET by MichaelLWagn
 
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From: SanchoP  Oct-23 12:31 pm 
To: MichaelLWagn  (13 of 25) 
 12537.13 in reply to 12537.12 
The paper will hold anything you care to write on it. The same applies to the internet. You are listening to people whose avocation is to stir up storms in glasses of water. Either that, or you're just one one more of the mindless Alex Jones minions polluting the net with his "wisdom".
 
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From: MichaelLWagn  Oct-23 3:49 pm 
To: SanchoP  (14 of 25) 
 12537.14 in reply to 12537.13 

On the subject of pollution, it only recently occurred to me how, when Bush promised during his original campaign to cut CO2 from Coal Power Plants--in fact, there's no method to cut CO2 emissions from coal (that what Clean Coal is supposed to be about, but even that's bogus).

What's your opinion Pancho...

Oh, sorry, that's Sancho...

Did you read that Tom Mix & Pancho Villa novel--enjoyable!!!

 
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From: SanchoP  Oct-23 5:25 pm 
To: MichaelLWagn  (15 of 25) 
 12537.15 in reply to 12537.14 

What are you, some sort of Rip Van Winkle? Did you fall asleep 9 years ago and just woke up? What matters right now what Bush (whichever of the two) said in the past?

FYI, it's 2009, October 23 to be exact.

 
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From: rbec  Oct-24 8:30 am 
To: SanchoP  (16 of 25) 
 12537.16 in reply to 12537.15 
Sancho, he fell asleep 30 years ago and woke up not being able to follow a conversation he started.
 
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From: MichaelLWagn  Oct-24 3:02 pm 
To: rbec  (17 of 25) 
 12537.17 in reply to 12537.16 

Yikes--looks like I woke up just in time!!!

Thanks for the prod, Ol' Boy!!!

Anyway..., ...so..., what's the bottomline here...???

Consider:

+ Blatant Medicare fraud costs taxpayers billions / MSNBC:

"... $60 billion dollars a year — a staggering cost borne by American taxpayers."

Meanwhile, there's a paltry $1,000 reward for Medicare Fraud; by comparison one state has a $500,000 reward for Medicaid fraud.

"If the information you provide makes you eligible for a reward, you will be mailed a letter AFTER ALL MEDICARE FUNDS HAVE BEEN RECOVERED. Please be aware that investigations take a long time to complete; some take several months or years. The amount of the reward you may receive will not be more than 10 percent of the Medicare funds RECOVERED in the case, OR $1,000, WHICHEVER IS LESS.

http://www.medicare.gov/Publications/Pubs/pdf/rmf.pdf

 
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From: rbec  Oct-24 8:43 pm 
To: MichaelLWagn  (18 of 25) 
 12537.18 in reply to 12537.17 
Are you ADD or something? You're all over the place in this thread.
 
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From: MichaelLWagn  Oct-25 3:52 pm 
To: rbec  (19 of 25) 
 12537.19 in reply to 12537.18 

In his 1961 farewell address, Eisenhower warned about wrong influences having a bearing on world affairs...

It's funny..., I've performed breathing exercises (Yoga & Shaolin Kung Fu) in morning fresh air for years and years...

Here I just needed to explain how Mochi is a health-food concoction found in most health food stores--it's good for building blood, convalescents... (bake in oven, microwaves don't work)

Winter squash is great (Yin), and garlic is now commonly accepted as good for cancer (Yang), this where the organic germanium is the "active ingredient".

Yin foods = big size with short growing cycle, Yang is the opposite

Finally, I've read some bad things about pesticides in our food...

In fact, I futilely sued in Federal Court (DC Circuit- Michael L. Wagner v. US Attorney) because some banned pesticides are approved anyway, for reasons such as economic/farmers, and the US EPA Website used to come right out and say this. There it said how grocers are supposed to inform you..., and Safeway used to have a sign in Produce that stated the names of the banned pesticides. Evidently Safeway (the one near me...) felt there wasn't any interest... ...You and I were expected to know that the names of these chemcials were displayed with the intention of leading you and I (and other interested persons) to ask which produce...

My concern was more with baby food--I felt that EVERY ITEM SHOULD CARRY A PROPER WARNING AS REQUIRED BY LAW--like a tiny sticker on produce... That's the thing--Congress ordered farmers to use a tenth of the pesticides they were using--because small kids were suffering...

I also sued for a Grand Jury investigation of the 1980 Presidential Election results. The US Commission on Civil Rights Report advised the US DOJ to file charges...--instead the DOJ ignored the report and instead investigated the approx. two-dozen complaints addressed directly to that agency..., this where The Organized Crime Control Act of 1970 allows "access" to a Federal Grand Jury... In fact, Hon. Urbina, cited a case that explicitly decided against his decision, namely "The Executive Branch has exclusive authority and absolute discretion to decide whether to prosecute," US v. Nixon. Of course, Moore v. Valder controls here, by explaining the difference between investigative (police-type) and organizational (prosecutorial-type) duties.

My point here is that The UN accepts these types of complaints, only there has to be a significant amount of complaints sent to: CP@ohchr.org

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/chr/1503.htm

 
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From: rbec  Oct-26 12:46 am 
To: MichaelLWagn  (20 of 25) 
 12537.20 in reply to 12537.19 
I suppose that's a "yes".
 
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