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appears clean when it comes to him not leaving the ice , shoulder to head to glass... Which i believe the nhl says is ok.. This debate will go on and on.. i think the nhl should just make it clear that even though it's a shoulder to the head that all contact to the head should be outlawed. Colin cambell is an idiot and stated he should have had his head up with the booth hit..Which was not illegal according to the rules presently but i would change it soon or we'll be losing players too and maybe star ones. but back to this rangers hit.. i'm not sure what the rule states about charging, how many strides are you legally able to take? he looks like he takes 5-10 strides which i think is maybe charging , making it illegal
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| I would say that is a charge. But to give anything more like a suspension is too much. That is just an unfortunate accident. I don't think the defenseman knew the hit was coming because he turned last second and made himself vulnerable instead of absorbing the hit closer to the boards. |
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When this hit happened the other day they said on the nhl network that the player has been suspended indefinitely. "I have ways of making money that you know nothing of."
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Liambas did seem to charge a bit, but it was more of a vicious hit than dirty. Fanelli tries to turn out of it at the last second, making himself even more vulnerable. An overager (Liambas) usually would also have a physical advantage over a 16 year old. The thing that also bugs me here is, how does his helmut fly off so easy? It's not doing you any good if it's not on your head. If you're playing contact, that thing better be strapped on. el Capitan Cannonista |
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| That looks similar to the hit on McAmmond, by I think Downie wasn't it? Either way that player took a lot of strides on his way in, which I think should be illegal. Some people are saying headshots should be outlawed but if you're going in for an innocent check and the guy leans down, which sometimes happens, is it right to suspend the checker? |
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| That's what I don't understand either, that helmet popped off pretty easy. But you know the way David Branch is, the Erie player could end up getting 10 or more games suspended if Branch feels he intentionally tried to go after the Kitchener player's head. No matter how bad life is or can be, I just remember it could be worse if I were a Leaf fan. |
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Yea, I found this link on Digg, and those were exactly my comments. The helmet did absolutely nothing in that situation as it came off a half-second before his head struck the metal divider. There needs to be an NFL-style rule about having the chin strap tight and secure at all times.... Fanelli gives a textbook example of exactly what NOT to do when you're about to get hit along the boards. |
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I guess I am in the minority. I don't see anything wrong here at all. I guess I don't understand why it would be argued as a charge, but he didn't hit the guy in the head. He hit hit him in the back of the shoulder with his shoulder and momentum carried him through the hit to the glass. What is he supposed to do, stop his body in the middle of impact? MY DRINKING TEAM HAS A HOCKEY PROBLEM!
CARCILLO AND EMERY! LONG LIVE GOON HOCKEY! |
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| I dont think thats the minority at all. The hit looked legal to me. Unfortunately catastrophic, but legal. |
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| I think it is totally irresponsible of the person writing the article to state that it was a hit to the head. They made it sound alot more egregious than it was MY DRINKING TEAM HAS A HOCKEY PROBLEM!
CARCILLO AND EMERY! LONG LIVE GOON HOCKEY! |
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It's clearly a shoulder to the head hit, his head hits the boards and then his helmet comes off. I realize hockey is a violent hard hitting sport but the intent to injury was there. He could have lined up the hit so the kid took it in the body but he lined him up hitting his head and driving it into the boards. It's just a lack of respect. You want to beat the other team with hard work and skill not blindsiding a guy and hitting him so hard you drive his head into the boards. Should he have had his helmet on tighter, yep, but his orbital bone broke from his head going into the boards when his helmet was still on. Hit a guy shoulder to shoulder, not shoulder to head. It's respect thing. |
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Damn! That was a hit. The intent was definately there to smash the guy. He sped up when he knew he had him lined up perfectly. A pessimist is one who feels bad when he feels good for fear he'll feel worse when he feels better |
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Um, noitwasn't! Watch the video again. At the 44 second mark you can see the player's shoulder and elbow making contact with Fanelli's back and shoulder. Fanelli's head hit the glass before Liambas' shoulder or elbow hit it. I'm not sure how you are seeing it any other way MY DRINKING TEAM HAS A HOCKEY PROBLEM!
CARCILLO AND EMERY! LONG LIVE GOON HOCKEY! |
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The defenseman put himself in a bad spot by turning. He looks like he didn't even know someone was about to hit him. The forechecker does charge, and the end result is a shoulder to head. But I think the the play happens too fast and the forechecker just wants to make contact. Too hard to turn away from that hit it time. you could even call it a hit from behind if you wanted. But I think it's just an unfortunate accident. I don't think the guy should be suspended even. If the defenseman felt the pressure he could have absorbed that hit on the boards with no problem. maybe the goalie distracted him, because he took a while to gather the puck, but I would think he has to know someone is coming to get a piece of him. |
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That was difficult to watch. I think this is probably charging and, under NHL rules, it is definitely boarding. He deserved the penalty and the suspension. Another poster mentioned that Liambis is an over age player, so the league may want to look at that issue as well. |
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| How is that boarding? Sure the actual hit was from behind but the kid turned right at the last second. It is very tough to watch but he put himself in the position to get hurt. Don Cherry will be all over this one saying dont turn at the last second |
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"A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be imposed on any player who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards." If this is the same rule they apply in that league, I think it is clear that this was boarding. |
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Key missing point from the rule book: "However, there is also a responsibility on the player with the puck to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position." Which is exactly what happened here. Aside from coming it at 3/4 speed and lining him up from 50 feet out (showing malicious intent), there was nothing technically illegal about the hit. No elbow, did not leave his feet, did not take 3+ strides before hitting him. |
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", there was nothing technically illegal about the hit." The evidence (the rule, the on ice official's call, the suspension) says otherwise. |
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